Battle of Chancellorsville

Union: 13000 troops, General Joseph Hooker
Confederacy: 60000 troops, General Stonewall Jackson, General Robert E. Lee
The Confederacy won the battle despite having the odds against them. Lee split his forces in 2 to flank the union troops. Stonewall Jackson was shot by his own men as he was returning to camp and he died from pneumonia.

Second Battle of Bull Run Study Guide

IM SO SORRY FOR THE LATE POST. D: SO IF YOU STILL NEED THIS... Date of Battle: August 28- August 30, 1862 Location: Prince William County, Virginia Commanders: -Union- MAJOR GENERAL JOHN POPE -Confederacy- General Robert E. Lee, General Thomas J. Jackson, LIEUTENANT JAMES LONGSTREET Strategy: -Union- They were split up. Pope wanted to protect Shenandoah Valley and draw Confederate forces away from his other fellow General McClellan's army. The Union wanted to attack the Confederacy back after being trapped by jackson's army. -Confederacy- Jackson destroyed Union communication systems. They saw that the split of the Union armies was a weakness and wanted to attack Pope's army. However, the Union eventually links back together and the plan is foiled and outnumbered so back up is needed to be brought in. Longstreets regiment is on the battlefield and takes out the Union from the left side. It is a surprise attack. Casualties for Union: Deaths-1724 Wounded-8372 Missing-5598 Total-6054 Casualties for Confederacy: Deaths-1481 Wounded-7627 Missing-89 Total-9197 Outcome: CONFEDERACY WINS

Battle of Shiloh

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BACKGROUND
- Dates: April 6, 1862 - April 7, 1862

GENERALS
- Confederates: General Albert S. Johnston (dies)... later P.G.T Beauregard
- Union: General Ulysses S. Grant, General Don Carlos Buell

OBJECTIVES
- Union forces await for reinforcements by General Don Carlos Buell
- Confederates seek to attack the small Union army

FIRST DAY
- Confederates ambush Union at Shiloh Church
- Union is surprised, fights back, but loses on the first day.  Falls back
- Confederate General Albert S. Johnston dies; P.G.T. Beauregard takes over the Confederate army

SECOND DAY
- Union attacks the Confederates
- Reinforcements led by General Don Carlos Buell come in time, causing the Confederates to flee.

RESULTS
- Union wins the battle
- Although the Union won, they lost more soldiers than the Confederacy.

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Study Guide: First Battle of Bull Run

July 21, 1861; Manassas, Virginia.

The terrain was grassy and flat with semi-hills. The weather was very hot
and the heat was high. Included light rain.

Union General: General Irvin McDowell
Confederacy General: General Joseph E. Johnston and General Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard (P.G.T. Beauregard)

The Union attacked first, hoping that the Confederacy would be easy to take down. The Union hoped to accomplish more invasions toward Confederacy land and an army with more people. The Confederacy felt the battle would be easy too so they hoped to take down the Union. Both sides thought that the war would be quick, but that all changed after this battle.

About 4700 total casualties
Union: about 2950 casualties, 1124 wounded, 1312 captured/missing, 460 killed
Confederacy: about 1750 casualties, 1582 wounded, 13 missing, 387 killed.

This was the first major land battle in the armies of Virginia.

Advantages and Disadvantages for both sides of the battle:
The Confederacy
Advantages:They were prepared and didn’t have to waste much energy by charging due to their spies.
Disadvantages:The South had a much less soldiers than the Union did
The Union
Advantages: Union had a lot more soldiers, resulting in more manpower.
Disadvantages: soldiers were mostly untrained, they had experienced hardships on their way and lost a lot of energy, and their position in land was much worse than the South’s.

Battle of Antietam Study Guide

When: September 17, 1862

Where: Sharpsburg, Maryland

Significance: Bloodiest one-day battle in American History; Emancipation Proclamation occured after

Outcome: North won because South's invasion failed

Confederacy's Goal: move North, obtain supplies, cut railroad links to Washington D.C., maybe even get support from Britain and France

Union's Goal: keep land and defend

Confederacy's Generals: Robert E. Lee, Stonewall Jackson, James Longstreet

Union's Generals: Ambrose Burnside, James Hooker

Battle of New Orleans

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Study Guide For Battle of the Monitor and the Merrimack

WHERE: Chesapeake bay and Charleston harbor

WHEN: March 8-9, 1862

CAPTAINS:
      -Union: Lieutenant John worden
      -Confederacy: Captain Franklin buchanan, lieutenant Catsby R. Jones

TROOP STRENGTH:
      -Union: five wooden warships and monitor
      -Confederacy: 2 wooden warships, a gun boat, 2 tenders, and merrimack

AIM:
      -Union: protect blockade
      -confederacy: break blockade that was stopping virginia's largest cities from international trade

OUTCOME: stalemate

Study Guide for the Battle of Atlanta

Commanders
- Union: William T. Sherman, James B. McPherson, and John A. Logan
- Confederacy: John B. Hood (plus Joseph E. Johnston who was replaced by Hood by being too defensive)

Objectives
- Union: Weaken the South by capturing its railroads, medical centers, and factories [Atlanta was known for its railroads (transportation) and manufacturing (supplies)]
- Confederacy: Protect Atlanta by forcing the Union's campaign north

Strategies
Flanking- a maneuver in which the one force would attack the sides of the opposing force (if successful, the enemy will be surrounded)
- Union: being notified of the Hood misconception of abandoning his defenses, Sherman decided to send McPherson, as well as Dodge's corpse, to advance in tearing up railroad tracks.
- Confederacy: Hood turned to a more offensive approach which was to attack McPherson. He devised a plan to  have a suspended attack until McPherson's army, the army of the Tennessee, was disarranged at the left side where the railroad would be. He would then situate one corpse between Thomas (Union) and Atlanta and have the rest proceed the flanking maneuver.

Advantages/Disadvantages
Union: better generals, less men
Confederacy: behind schedule, home-field advantage

Casualties: the Confederacy had more

Outcome:
- The Union wins
- guarantees Lincoln's re-election
- succeeded in damaging railroads and cutting down supplies in the South

Re: What If?...

If the Confederacy had won at the Battle of Gettysburg, I do not think that would have changed the outcome of the war. The Battle of Gettysburg will only be known as another major victory for the Confederacy, such as the First Battle of Bull Run or Chancellorsville. The Union would react to this as another loss. The result would only benefit the Union, since they were better prepared if the war lasted longer.

If foreign countries were going to join the Confederacy's fight for freedom, they would have already done so early into the war. However, since Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation in 1862, the war was fought on the issue of slavery. Because of this, the foreigner's did not want to side with them. They had abolished slavery a long time ago and were against it. Another victory for the Confederacy would mean nothing for them.

Lincoln had already had the whole war thought through and was not about to forfeit. If he did, this would mean that half the country was gone and other states might secede.

What if...? Response

If the Battle of Gettysburg had a different ending and the Confederacy proved to be victorious instead, it would definitely be a major loss for the Union. However, I don't think it would end the whole war immediately. Up to this point, the Confederates had won many battles. This battle would just be another one added to the rest. It might've weakened the Union's army and also lowered their morale too, but at this point the Union's motivation and confidence in winning was already dying out. So, the battle at Gettysburg would just be another normal win for the Confederacy and a devastating loss for the Union. However, if the Union had a really low morale and no interest in fighting anymore, Lincoln might have negotiated for peace with the Confederates. If they could see no chances of winning, they might have just wanted to stop the war altogether. But, we also learned that around this time, the Battle of Vicksburg also proved to be a significant turning point for the Union. This might've boosted their motivation to keep on fighting. Although the Battle of Gettysburg might've been a major blow to the Union, I don't think it would affect the outcome of the war.
Even if the South won, Britain and France still would not have given their support. These foreign nations already abolished slavery. Since the war now dealt with the issue of slavery and slavery had become a key factor, Britain and France felt that they should not go against their own policies and fight for South. They also felt that since they could get cotton from their own colonies, they didn't need to maintain trade with the South.
All in all, if the Confederates won the Battle of Gettysburg, it wouldn't affect the outcome of the entire war, yet it would still harm the Union.

What if?... Response

If the South had won the Battle of Gettysburg, I doubt it would have made much of a difference in who won the  Civil War. If the South didn't give much resistance to the North and ended the war quickly, the North would win, and if the South held up and extended the war, the North would still win because of their long term advantages. Of course, the South couldn't technically beat the North quickly because the fighting was happening in their own territory. The Battle of Gettysburg was just a signal that the inevitable second phase of the war had begun. If the South were victorious in that particular battle, it wouldn't matter much because the South had been winning the whole time. Why would that battle out of all the others convince foreign nations to help the Confederacy or Lincoln to accept defeat? The "signaling battle" for the South to go into retreat mode would just happen later on.

What if response

Although it is not certain of how the out come of the war would have changed if we were to give the confederates the win at Gettysburg, in my opinion it would have changed the war greatly. I believe that if the confederates overcame the odds that were against them, and managed to pull a victory at Gettysburg, it would have been a high moral booster for the south, as the north's moral would have been almost gone. The south would have the energy and motivation, to power through the war and stay on the offensive, while the north questioning their chances at winning the war after such a great loss, would start to fall back, and start to give in to the south. I don't think that a victory at Gettysburg however would have gotten Britain or France to help out in the war, because of the fact that this war was still a matter of slavery, and neither countries supported it. A victory at Gettysburg might not have been a certain victory of the war for the confederates, but I believe that it would have prolonged the war for a substantial amount of time, almost to a point where Lincoln might have considered letting the confederates go their own way.

Even if the Confederacy had won the battle of Gettysburg, it would not have changed the outcome of the Civil War. Though the spirits of the Union soldiers might have been lowered and those of the Confederacy soldiers have been boosted, the Union would still have won the war. With the  And since the war was officially about the issue of slavery, the South would not have gained support from Britain and France. If they did, it would look like those foreign countries supported slavery. Which  was a matter that those countries had abolished years ago. If the Confederacy had won the battle, I think that Lincoln would have tried to make peace with the South. Just out of respect for the lives of his soldiers and for the sake of the Union. He could not afford to lose anymore lives in this war, I think he would rather let them be.

what if... response

I think that if the Confederates had won the Battle of Gettysburg and defeated the Union as bad as they had defeated the Confederates than the outcome of the war would have been different. The Union would have lost a large chunk of their army maybe even most of their army, severely weakening them and maybe even disable their fighting force allowing the Confederates to easily negotiate peace. I don’t think that the Confederates would get foreign support even if they won, however, because the reason for the war is now about slavery and since Britain and France abolished slavery, I doubt that they would decide to join the Confederates. I think Lincoln would have probably looked to make peace after such a loss because since the bulk of the Union army was at Gettysburg, if they lost then they would have been crippled.

Insignificant

Had the Confederacy won the battle at Gettysburg, I don’t believe the outcome of the war would have changed. The only reason why Gettysburg is so well known is because it was the turning point of the war. If the South had won, Gettysburg would be just another random victory for the South, adding to their list of wins. The Union, at that point, was not doing so well, so another loss would be just another random loss. There would have probably been another different turning point later in the war if the Union had lost, because they were better suited for a longer war.

France and Britain would not have joined the Confederacy even if they had won at Gettysburg. The South was already doing pretty well before Gettysburg, yet the European countries never joined forces. They already have their own sources of cotton, like from India, so the South having cotton would not convince them to join. Also, France and Britain had already abolished slavery, so they would not see any reason or motivation to join the Confederacy. 

Lincoln would not really have changed his mindset about the war. He is already determined to win this war, and will stop at nothing to seize the victory. This can be shown with the Emancipation Proclamation, which showed that he really would do what he could for the war. He had not given up before Gettysburg, where the Union was losing, so I don't think another loss would have much effect on Lincoln. 

Basically, if the Confederacy had won at Gettysburg, it would not be significant, and not as well known as it is today. It would just be a minor battle, not changing the outcome of the war nor the situation of both sides. 

What if?

If the Confederacy had actually won in the battle, first of all, i think the Gettysburg address would not be there. Also, I think the the south would have actually have gotten support from other allies. Also, border states would most likely have turned to the south. Since this was considered as one of the biggest turning points, it would have mattered greatly because with out it, many of the northern soldiers would have a lack of motivation. Lincoln would have most likely surrendered or make peace.It would make a great difference and a HUGE change for the view of other countries. The south would have probably lasted longer

What If?

I think that if the Confederates won the Battle of Gettysburg, they would gain control of the Union. This major victory in the North would send Lincoln to make a peace treaty with The Confederates. The Confederacy might have won the Civil War because after the Battle of Gettysburg, they could just come and attack Washington to make Grant retreat and not take Confederate soldiers captive at Vicksburg. South would probably gain foreign support because one major victory in the North is all Europe needed to see. They will know that Confederacy is winning and is more powerful than the Union. I really don't think that Lincoln would keep trying to defeat the Confederates because if the Union does then they might lose more than they have needed to. Lincoln might think that if Confederates are capable of winning in both sides, then they are the better army. All the blame could go to Lincoln whether or not he chose to make a peace treaty or keep trying to stay in the war.

"What If?..." Response

            Even if the Confederacy won the Battle of Gettysburg it would not have changed much.  Other than another large defeat and a loss of soldiers , that would have been it.  The Union morale may have gotten lower, but how much lower could it have gotten at that point.  If the battle had played out like it had other than the Union winning, both sides would have lost a large amount of soldiers.  After Pickett's Charge, the Confederacy probably would have still had to retreat even if they won.  Now that the war had officially become about slavery, foreign countries weren't going to join the South no matter how large a victory.  However if the stakes were too high I'm pretty sure Lincoln would have attempted peace, but not until it was a necessary time, like if the capital had been captured.

What If?

I believe that if the Confederacy had won the Battle Of Gettysburg it would not have effected the outcome of the Civil War. The Union would lose many soldiers and commanders, but do to Pickets Charge the Confederates would lose many soldiers and commanders too. Even with the many union deaths, the North still has a very large population so drafting more soldiers would be easy. The biggest blow the North would receive from this loss is their morale. While the North's morale is low, the South's motivation would become great. Though winning this battle would be a great victory for the Confederacy, it still would have not won them the support from Britain or France. It just doesn't make any sense to ban slavery in your country and support it in another. Abraham Lincoln would not make a treaty with the South even if this was a huge loss. He would not do this because he had already announced the Emancipation Proclamation. If he took this back the Union would look weak not only to the Confederacy, but to the world. So even though this battle was very important to the Union, losing it would not mean losing the Civil War.

"What If..." Response

  If the Confederacy had won the Battle of Gettysburg, I think the Civil War would have continued even more. When the Confederacy won the 1st Battle of Bull Run, the Union side knew that the war would take longer to end. The same situation would happen if the Confederacy won the Gettysburg battle. 
  I don't think Britain nor France would have supported the Confederacy if they had won. They have abolished slavery so I think it would be impossible for them to ever side with the Confederacy. Especially if it was just them winning one battle. I also don not think Lincoln would have made peace with the South. Although he desperately wants the South to come back to the North, I think he still would have fought for a united country. Slavery is still an issue that Lincoln would greatly want to resolve. 

What If?... Response

     First of all, I am pretty sure Lincoln would not have given up at this point if the Union had lost.  He had already given the Emancipation Proclamation, so giving up would seem weak and maybe discourage some slaves.  The Union had lost battles before; losing another one, even if it is a major battle, would not change Lincoln's mind.      Also, I cannot say that if the Confederacy had won, the battle would not have mattered as much for the Confederacy as it did for the Union.  The Confederacy was already in control of the Civil War and adding the Battle of Gettysberg to its list of victories would not change much.  A reason why it was so important for the Union was because they were losing the war, so a big win like this turned the tide in their favor.  However, the tide of the war was already in the Confederacy's favor, so this victory would not have been as powerful as it was for the Union.  Basically, I believe that the rest of the Civil War could have gone either way even if the Confederacy wins, since the Confederacy was already winning and the Union was already losing.
      Finally, France or Britain would not have supported the South, since the war does not change anything and since they banned slavery, why suppot something that was banned?
      

What if......?

I believe that a win for the Confederacy at Gettysburg would have crushed the Union and most likely have led to the end of the war. Up to this point many of the wins had belonged to the Confederacy, and this lose would have given a blow that the Union would not have been able to sustain. The number of troops they would have lost is something they would not have been able to bounce back from. This was also crucial because it would have resulted in help from Britain and/or France With that kind of a backing the Union would have no choice but to back down. The only other option for them would be to wage war on 3 countries, which they were surely not prepared to do. Also, it would have led to the South beginning to attack the North and stop playing defense. This would have hurt the North more because all those people who were on the border about the war would have wanted it to stop. Now that their lives were in danger they would have decided this war was not one worth fighting. To feed off of this, the South would have kept moving troops north ultimately causing the North to have to surrender and give  up their throne as king of North America.

If the Confederacy had won then the Union would've been crushed by another defeat. More importantly, Gettysburg was in the Union which meant that if the Confederacy could capture territory in the Union it would pose an even greater threat to the Union. This would also push for a treaty by Lincoln. If this battle of Gettysburg was won by the Confederates, many Union soldiers would've probably deserted because this loss would show how weak the Union army is getting. With the defeat at Gettysburg the Civil War would've ended sooner. Another way, that the Confederates could have won was if they got reinforcements and tried to take Washington and force the Union to stop fighting.

what if response

I think that even if the confederacy won, it wouldn't effect the outcome of the war much because if they still did Pickett's Charge, they still would've lost many leaders and soldiers they couldn't replace. The only effect losing the battle may have had on the Union would be that they lose morale, but even then Lincoln could still draft soldiers or attract them with money, so the army wouldn't suffer. One thing I'm sure is that once the war was made to be about slavery, France and Britain would never have helped the Confederacy when they had just abolished slavery. And as for Lincoln, I think it's the same thing. Once the war became a fight over slavery, he couldn't just leave the South alone and let them have slaves. The Union had already said it was against slavery and if they took it back, it would make them seem weak. Lincoln also still couldn't stop the war because of all the reasons as before: it would make the Union seem weak, showing how their type of government wouldn't work out and it would let the states think that they could secede whenever they weren't pleased with something the government did.

Re: What If....

If the Confederacy had won the Battle of Gettysburg, that would be very bad news for the Union. The Union already had a losing streak of battles and the momentum of victories were obviously on the Confederate side. If the Union were to take another loss, I think it would not only crush their physical ability but mental as well. They would lose the motivation to fight and quit or they would have to struggle and find solutions to their problems. This would result in a much longer war. I can not say for sure whether the results of the Battle of Gettysburg would decipher the winner of the entire Civil War, but my best guess it that the Union forces numbers would dwindle to very little. If the Confederacy had won once again, the victory would show just how powerful they can be to not only the Union, but the world. This can encourage foreign countries such as Britain and France for military aid. As for Lincoln, it seems that he has a more peaceful nature looking for negotiation instead of war. I think that if the Union was fatally struggling he would definitely look to make peace with the South and save the remainder of the Union while he still can. In other words, Lincoln would try hard contain the damage control in any way.

"What if?..." Response

     If the Confederacy won the war, they would've had a better chance at winning the Civil War. The Battle of Gettysberg was a turning point of the war, so it really mattered who won this battle. So it would be the Union struggling to stay alive instead of the Confederates if they Confederacy won. The South also would've gotten more motivation to keep fighting since they won such a major and significant battle in the war.
     Britain or France most likely wouldn't support the South even if they won the battle because those countries abolished slavery, so they wouldn't want to get involved in a war that is about the topic of slavery. It wouldn't make sense if Britain and France supported the South, which was proslavery, when they're against slavery. Those countries wouldn't want to be known as hypocrites.
     Lincoln would have looked to make peace with the South because his first priority is to preserve the union of the country. He is willing to allow slavery if it means that the country can become united again. He wouldn't let the country remain split just because he thinks that slavery is an injustice. He would put that aside for the sake of the country.

"What If...?" Response

Up until the Battle of Gettysburg, the Confederacy had been winning most major land battles. Consequently, the Union's victory at the Battle of Gettysburg proved to be a significant turning point for the Union in the Civil War. If the Confederacy had won the Battle of Gettysburg, many things would have turned out differently.

Although I am unable to tell whether or not the outcome of war would have been contrary to what actually happened, the war would have lasted much longer than it did. Because Lincoln would not have easily accepted the CSA being an independent country after having fought for 2 years, the war may have dragged on to an unnecessary extent. However, I doubt that Lincoln would seek to make peace with the South after having arranged the Emancipation Proclamation. The loss would serve as a huge blow to Lincoln's reputation and may even have angered few northern democrats who were opposed to the war in the first place.

It is possible that the South would have gained support from European countries, but I find this to be unlikely. Already having banned slavery, the countries would appear hypocritical. Moreover, the countries receive no benefits from helping the South other than friendly relations.

What if response

Gettysburg played a huge role in the Civil War. Whoever won this battle would probably win the war. However, Britain and France weren't likely to help the South, even if they won. Both countries had already abolished slavery years ago, so helping the south would hurt their image. I think President Lincoln wouldn't have surrendered anyway , because this war was fought so long already. Why would he just quit now? After all the men who died for slavery, I don't believe that Lincoln would just call it a truce. The north would have won eventually; the south winning the battle of Gettysburg would have just dragged out the Civil War. The North had more man-power, they already split the South into two, and have a barricade around the coast. It was just a matter of time.

Re: What if?..

If the Confederacy had won the Battle of Gettysburg instead of the Union, the war may have just ended there and then, or sooner than what really happened. If the Battle of Gettysburg really was a turning point, then the Confederacy winning means that the Union  may give up, which unless the Confederacy wins, is very unlikely.

However, no matter if the Confederacy wins or not, i highly doubt that European countries (France and Britain) would help the Confederacy because it would be like going back against their own rulings/laws. The South could only supply other countries with cotton as well, but the European countries now depended on India for that resource, so the South would be no use to them no matter what.

The Union would probably get tried of losing, and Lincoln would most likely accept the Confederacy back into the Union because he wanted to preserve what was left of the United States, even if it meant there is slavery.

What If the Confederacy Won?

Gettysburg was a large component to whoever won the civil war. It played a large role as it was the turning point for the Union. If the Confederacy won it will inevitably lead to their win of the civil war as they already made many early victories. The victory, however, won't change the fact that France and Britain won't help them as they were always against slavery, not willing to help. They wouldn't even help the Union ever since they declared that the war was over the issue on slavery. Like the issue on foreign support, Lincoln would've not changed his mind on reuniting the Union as well as abolishing slavery as he was too determined to do so. Lincoln's main focus was to unite the Union even if it meant to allow slavery, but ever since the Emancipation Proclamation, the war was now declared to be over the issue on slavery. With that, if the Confederacy won, there would be a lot of controversy rather than leaving the South in peace.

What if... Response

      If the Confederacy had won the Battle of Gettysburg, the war would have ended a lot sooner. Gettysburg was a major turning point in the Civil war, so if the Union lost, the Confederacy would gain much more faith in their belief that they could stand on their own. And the Union would begin to think if it's worth it to lose all these men after losing so many battles and just let them be independent.
      Even if the Confederacy had won the Gettysburg battle, Britain and France would not have supported them. Why would they support a cause that they banned? It would make sense for them to support the Union of banning slavery.  And I'm sure Britain and France would only support them if they thought it was profitable. Since they don't need cotton from the South anymore, since they found somewhere else that is cheaper, there's really no other reason to support them.
      At this point, Lincoln would have made peace with the South. He loves the United States so much that he's willing to accept slavery if it means that the South would join the Union again.

What If?... Response

  If the Confederacy had won the Battle of Gettysburg, the Union will really lose hope and would not gain the momentum the Union gained after the Battle of Gettysburg. I think that it was not possible for the Confederacy to gain foreign help from France and Britain. In the Revolutionary War when the Americans started winning, France gave them a hand and help them. Same thing could not have to the Confederates because Confederates and the Union were now a fight for slavery. Such countries as Britain and France already abolished slavery and thought slavery was evil.
   If the Confederates won the Battle of Gettysburg, I think that the Confederates had a good chance of winning. If the confederates won, the Union army in Vicksburg will retreat and fall back to enhance their defense. General Lee and the whole Confederate army will gain more confidence and momentum and get stronger. The Union will have thoughts as,"Is this War really worth it?" and not be spirited as the Confederates. If the Union keeps fighting like this, then the Confederates, whose spirits are high and confident, will win most of the battles. Eventually Lincoln will have to surrender.
  Lincoln wants to keep the Union and end slavery, but he can not win the war if all the soldiers are feeling down and are not getting major victories. Lincoln will be forced to make peace with the south and the Confederates will be independent. The Battle of Gettysburg mattered greatly in the war. I was a turning point.

What if?

   Many things would have happened differently if the Confederates won the Battle of Gettysburg. President Lincoln was hoping for a victory to turn the tide of the war to the Union's and Gettysburg was this battle. Lincoln would have lost support without this victory and the war may have been dragged on longer. Antiwar Northerners may also use this defeat as an excuse to make peace with the South and ensure the existence of the Confederate States. General Lee could have also forced peace on Lincoln if his campaign against the Union brought it near the capital or became successful enough.


   The South may also receive help from the European countries but this is unlikely. Britain and France already made slavery illegal. They would not risk fighting a war that supported slavery. The Confederacy cannot deny that this war is about slavery any longer because President Lincoln made it clear that it was a war about slavery using the Emancipation Proclamation. We cannot be certain how things would have played out but I think the Union would have still won because of their endurance showed by their ability to continue despite losing battles early in the war.

"What if..." Response

     The Battle of Gettysburg, also familiarized as the second turning point of the Civil War (the first being the fact that the war changed into a fight for slavery), was a major clash between the Union and the Confederacy in the north.  The Union had won this battle, giving them great advantages (such as increased morale, less loss of troops, etc.).  But from another perspective, if the Confederacy had won it, many things could have happened that would have severely affected the war.

     If the Confederacy had won, it is possible that they could have gained support from foreign nations, such as Britain and France.  By reflecting back to the Battle of Saratoga during the Revolutionary War, in which the American colonies gained the aid of France after their victory, one can assume that the Confederacy could receive this help.  By allying with the stronger force during a war, the helping nations can create a friendly bond with each other for future economic help between them after winning the war (such as trade, donations, etc.).  And considering that this battle was the bloodiest and most important til now, a loss for the Union could have finally pushed them far enough to forfeit.

     Also, by winning this battle, the Confederacy would have been able to continue fighting strongly.  With such victory, Union forces invading Vicksburg would have been forced to retreat back to the north for further defense.  And rather than hiding after the Confederacy loss, the Confederates would have significantly increased their morale.  By winning such battle on the enemy territory, not only would it have gradually decreased the Union's morale, but it would have given the Confederacy a more powerful spirit to fight.

     And so, President Lincoln would have eventually be forced to surrender.  The Union had lost many battles already, and after losing a major one such as Gettysburg would have cornered him and eventually forced him to give up.  At this rate, the process of the Anaconda Plan would have been cut down, thinning the chance of the Union's victory.  And instead, the South would be the ones trapping the Union -- from the inside and outside.

Re: Battle of Gettysburg

I think that if the Confederacy had won at Gettysburg, the war would've ended much sooner.  The Confederacy might not have gotten support from other foreign nations, but their plan to drive the Union troops away from the Mississippi to reinforce the army at Gettysburg would have worked.  The Confederacy would've been able to defeat the Union in two places with just one strategy.  If they had won at Gettysburg, the Union wouldn't have won at Vicksburg because the Union siege wouldn't have as many soldiers, and the Confederate troops would've been able to defeat the Union at other key battles in the Mississippi. The CSA also would've been able to thwart the Anaconda Plan and the outcome of the war would've been very different, with the Confederacy winning and slavery still existing. Lincoln wouldn't have tried to make peace with the South after 2 years of fighting and losing.  After all the effort, Lincoln didn't seem like the kind of person to give up so easily.  If Lincoln were the type to give up, the war would've been over in less than a year. 

   If the Confederate army had won at Gettysburg, there would have been a minimal chance of the Union winning the Civil War. Gettysburg would have been a major victory for the South, finally proving that they could stand on their own. A major message would be sent out by the Confederacy saying that this war was a worthless fight and that they would just keep winning. The Confederacy would then have another reason to tell the North to leave them alone.

   A Union loss at Gettysburg would have greatly altered the outcome of the Civil war. The Southern soldiers would have gotten a boost in spirits and they would become more motivated because of the new victory, pushing themselves to fight harder for their cause. The Northerners would be crushed at the news and their soldiers might lose the fire they had. Even president Lincoln, no matter how optimistic he remained, might have been dejected at the news of the Northern loss.

   Even though the South won Gettysburg, they would not have won foreign support. France and England had images to uphold with other countries so they would not interfere. Moreover, both countries abolished slavery a long time ago so it would have been hypocritical on their part to aid a country which seceded from the Union because it wanted slavery. If the Union had been defeated at Gettysburg, Lincoln, realizing that the Union army is demolished, might have even tried to come to a compromise with the Southand slavery might still be here today.

   Gettysburg was aa major turning point in the Civil War and it is the battle that decided who will emerge the victor in the war that shook our country.

What if response

If the south did win the Battle of Ghettysburg I think the south would have had a good chance of winning the war. The battle would have been a great moral booster. The main reason south had to eventually give up is hat try lost most of their men in this battle. But is they won, they would have had more men to continue fighting and the moral booster would make the north feel like there is no legitimate reason to fight if they lose all the major battles. The south might have even gained some supports from foreign countries. Foreign countries can use the south as a major trade partner if they helped south be independent. And president Lincoln ould have been pressured by a lot of people to give up since there was no victories.

The Battle of Gettysburg

     If the Confederacy had won at Gettysburg, the outcome of the Civil War might not have been what it is. The Battle of Gettysburg was essential to the rest of the war because it was a major turning point of the war. This was the point where it started to become clear that the Union was starting to win battles and was actually starting to win the war. It marked the point where the Confederate army began to be in "retreat mode" and started to lose its grip on the war.
     The South would probably have not gained the support from Britain or France. Even if they had won the battle, they had already won many battles before, and neither country had yet to offer support. Britain and France would not offer support because they would not have wanted to look hypocritical and also because they were not really dependent on the South for their cotton. So because Britain and France therefore had no benefit of aiding the South, they would not have given support to South.
     Lincoln would not have looked to make peace with the South. The Union had already been fighting for almost 2 years now and had lost important battles before, so why would Lincoln decide to all of a sudden give up and try to talk peace now? Especially since the Battle of Gettysburg happened after the Emancipation Proclamation, there was more motivation for the Civil War to continue.

Gettysburg Response

If the Confederacy won, it would be a major blow to the Union. If the Union had not won the battle at Gettysburg, then the Civil War would go on much longer than what had actually happened. Although the Confederates wanted the support from Britain or France, it would be unlikely to receive help from them because of the slavery. Also, since the South relied on cotton to push the foreign countries, other countries like India started to supply cotton, therefore, Britain might not start to help the South anytime soon during the 1860's. It will only stop the inevitable, the Union winning over the Confederacy. This victory will only make Abraham Lincoln's reputation worse. Abraham Lincoln cannot make peace with the South because it will show that the Union and all other nations that will soon be built like the USA's that it is weak and easily divided.

What If?...

    The last couple of days we have looked at the Battle of gettysburg which was a significant turning point for the Union in the Civil War.

     My question is this...what if the Confederacy had won at Gettysburg? How would that have affected the outcome of the Civil War? Would it have not mattered? Would the South have gained support from Britain or France even with the existence of slavery? Would Lincoln have looked to make peace with the South?

     Obviously, there's no right answer here...I'm interested in your opinion. But you can still use what we've learned as a guide to inform your opinion. Remember to create your own post and comment at least one other post.

Response to glory: I think the movie was very realistic as compared to how the civil war was really like in reality. The film didn't seem exaggerated at all in my opinion. Many scenes seemed identical to how the war really was like. The scenes were acted just as how the real scenes seemed I have been. The movie showed how and why African Americans wanted to join the arm and helped us understand the war better. It showed how some African Americans were always just going to be regular soldiers. And few African American soldiers of the 54th regiment went on and became generals and leaders. I very much enjoyed the movie glory. The movie helped me learn a lot about the war and helped me get a visual of how the war really was like.

"Glory" Reflection

I did enjoy watching the movie "Glory". Many things surprised me in this movie and caught my attention, like how the African- American soldiers decided to stay and fight even though they could possibly have severe consequences for being a colored regiment. I learned that many African-American soldiers expected the "soldier life" to be a great life full of adventure, but when they finally got there, it was not what they expected. The experiences they had were very tough, only because they were colored and it was difficult for them to show that they were trained enough to fight as well as the white men, and possibly even better. I think this movie seemed pretty realistic, except I don't believe that Colonel Shaw in real life would be that supportive and believe that his men could really pull together and fight.

Glory Reflection

The movie, "Glory", portrayed a realistic visualization of life during the Civil War for the 54th Massachusetts regiment and any other colored regiment. The discrimination that the black soldiers faced showed the relationship between them and the white soldiers. For example, the 54th regiment didn't receive shoes until Colonel Shaw had to forcefully demand shoes for them. It showed that the Union didn't want to waste their supplies on blacks, but rather save them for the white soldiers. Also, Col. Shaw had to resort to blackmail to let the 54th go into a real battle. Usually, black soldiers were used for labor in the army while the white regiments actually got to fight. However, by threatening to bring up charges against one of his superiors, Col. Shaw got orders for his regiment to go into battle against the Confederate.
What surprised me the most was the determination in the 54th regiment. When Col. Shaw received orders from the Department of War that any black soldiers found would be sent back to slavery or killed on spot, no soldier left the 54th. This was surprising because I thought at least some would leave in fear of their lives. However, they probably knew that some sacrifices had to be made in order for the North to win and end slavery. Also, I thought the black soldiers would be more rebellious within the regiment because of the harsh treatment (like the Irish drill sergeant's brutal drills.) However, most of them knew to stay quiet and obey orders. One exception was Trip, who was always talking back to the commanding officers. Another surprising thing was their determination in the actual battles. Since none of them had actually fought in a war before and didn't know the experience of it, I expected some of them to be shocked or overwhelmed. However, their bravery was commendable, and their willingness to make sacrifices showed that they understood the true meaning of war.
One of the things that I thought about during the movie was the bond they shared in the regiment. Before the final battle, everyone gathered around the campfire and sang songs (Mhmmm lord lord lord) and made final prayers. It seemed like the regiment was a family, caring for each other and understanding each other. Throughout the whole movie, the 54th slowly forged a bond between everyone, including Col. Shaw and Major Forbes. The regiment slowly went from strangers who didn't understand each other to friends who weren't only part of the same regiment, but also like a family.
I learned a lot about the life of African Americans in the war. They constantly faced racism and harsh treatment. However, after watching the movie, it was obvious that they cared less about that and more about trying their best on the battlefields and in the camps. Glory was a quite realistic movie, as it showed how tough life was during the war, and how people could come together to fight for a single cause.

Glory Response

I think that the movie "Glory" has a pretty accurate representation of life for colored regiments in the Civil War. There are, of course, a few dramatizations like the epicness of the battles and the inspiring speeches of the African Americans during the spiritual, but  dramatizations  are in almost all movies. The 54th regiment's daily life, including injuries and racism, was depicted well in the movie. The conditions of the hospitals at the time was authentically portrayed when Shaw was getting treated. However, I was surprised by the way that the people fought wars. I found many of their decisions odd, and I wondered why they did it. For example, at about the beginning of the movie, Shaw and the rest of the Union army clumped together in a tight group and slowly marched in plain sight towards their enemy. First of all, their concentration allowed the Southerners to take out more Northerners with each cannonball, second of all, the North army with their slow movement was like a bunch of sitting ducks waiting to get shot, and third, they sought no shelter and allowed the enemy a clear shot of them.

"Glory" Response

I'm very glad we watched the movie "Glory" because I learned a lot and I now think differently of how it was like for the African-Americans back then. I was surprised the African-Americans were friends with some of the white, or attended fancy events. I honestly thought the African-Americans were ignored back then. I was also surprised that so many African-Americans joined the army, I thought only a few joined. I learned a lot from this movie, like how the African-Americans would keep their culture and sing spirituals to keep each other strong, and how white soldiers would sometimes befriend black soldiers. I thought the movie was realistic. There wasn't much of that Hollywood drama or exaggeration put into the movie, so that made the movie feel real.  

"Glory" Reflection

     What surprised me about "Glory" was how soldiers were killed so quickly and in large quantities during war. I knew that wars were very dangerous and soldiers have a high chance of dying, but it was just shocking that the soldiers died when the fight just began. Also, it was surprising how the soldiers just charge without trying to protect themselves and fight so confidently. It's amazing how fearless they are during battle. Also, I expected many of the black soldiers and white officers to leave the army when they heard the proclamation stating that any Negro caught helping the North will become a slave again and any white officer caught leading Negro soldiers will get killed, but none of them left. Every single soldier and white officer stayed. It was a great sight to see that they were still willing to serve in the army, even if these terrible things were going to happen to them.
     I learned about the experiences of African-Americans during the Civil War that they were treated poorly and strictly by the white officers. The white officers were very rough and harsh on them. But even through all those harsh times, the black soldiers are still able to sing spirituals and just praise God. They were able to switch from the stressful, difficult work and training of being a soldier to the more comforting and relaxed environment of embracing their culture and being just one big family. It's just astonishing how they can change their state of mind so well and quickly.
     I think that the movie was very realistic. I thought that the deaths in the battle were excessive, but that's the reality of war. Dying is inevitable. Also, the intense training and brutal punishments for the black soldiers were sadly realistic. There was still some racism and prejudice towards the blacks, so they were treated poorly. The colored soldiers receiving less pay than white soldiers is also sadly realistic. "Glory" is not at all just a "Hollywood" movie where everything is exaggerated just to make the movie more interesting. This movie is actually portraying real experiences and events in war. The surgeries where the patient was still awake, the numerous deaths, and the brutal battles were all things that actually happened in the Civil War. Nothing about this war was really exaggerated or fake. Everything in it was reality in the Civil War.

Re: "Glory" Reflection

Edward Zick's "Glory" is an Oscar winning movie based on Colonel Robert Gould Shaw's 54th Massachusetts Regiment. Overall, the bravery of the African Americans surprised me. When Shaw announced that the Confederacy was going to execute anybody who was involved in the African American army, I thought there would be none left. However, they all stayed. Also: Since the African Americans had not been in battle before, I believed that they would run away during war. They were not used to taking lives or seeing their friends die on the battlefield. However, they did well and did not "chicken" out.


Though the movie is based on real facts, anything that happened in the movie was heart-felt and slightly too dramatic. For example, after Shaw announces what the Confederate Army would do with any prisoners that were related to the training of African American soldiers, there is a scene where Rawlings is standing in the rain, having a thought of what is to happen. After that, when Shaw asks Sergeant Mulcahey if any were left, he walks and takes a right, only to find the whole regiment saluting him. There is also a scene when Thomas gets shot. He begs Shaw to promise him that he would not be sent home. Otherwise, the racism, unfair treatment, and labor of the African American soldiers were realistically portrayed.


All in all, Glory taught me about what real warfare was like in the 19th century and the life of an African American soldier.

"Glory" Reflection

I think that the movie "Glory" was very accurate and on-point with their facts and real life scenarios in the movie. What surprised me the the most in the movie, was that the regiment actually got to fight. In the beginning, it wasn't looking too good for them, in chances to be able to fight in a war. Shaw's dedication to the men in his regiment really made me think, usually a leader in the Civil War would care less about any African-American person, let alone a solider. This shows that Shaw, first of all wasn't racist, he never brutally hurt them physically or emotionally. And this also shows that no matter what circumstances or kind of men he had by his side, he was determined to win the war. I think that this movie was realistic, in most ways.

     I always knew that African Americans had to face a lot of discrimination, but seeing the poor treatment they received from other white soldiers and the little respect they had was more than I imagined.  This made me think of how others loathed the 54th simply since they were black, and made me sad.  I was very surprised that the African American soldiers decided to stay and fight when they could have just easily been free men.  Plus, the training they received was very harsh and cruel, and I was surprised to see the men bear it and still want to continue to return and fight.  I guess their trainer was not much tougher than their slave owners.
      Even though I thought the movie was realistic, it still did not seem like a true war back in history.  It was a little bit too dramatic for it to be realistic.  I'm pretty sure war was a lot different back then.  Also, I felt sympathy for the soldiers and colonel Shaw, who had to deal with disadvantages and less privialges, such as having no shoes, being paid less than they should, and not being allowed to fight.
       Overall, I enjoyed the movie, and was saddened to see all the deaths at the end.

"Glory" Reflection

The movie "Glory" is pretty accurate with its facts and diary entries by Shaw. The makers of this movie did a lot of research for this movie. The black regiment couldn't fight or do a normal soldier's job.  Instead, they have to do the brunt work and the unwanted jobs until they were finally allowed to prove themselves near the end. However, I believe that there should be more racism during that time period because they didn't really insult the contrabands much verbally or physically. I was surprised by the fact that Shaw had African acquaintances because of the racism people had at that time. I can totally understand why 54th regiment of Massachusetts has become one of the most famous regiments in the history of the Civil War. They are motivated and hardworking.

"Glory" Reflection

  The movie "Glory" portrayed how the colored regiment, such as the 54^th Massachusetts, lived their life in the army. This movie was not a "Hollywood" movie. I thought that the movie described their life pretty accurately. For instance, the colored regiment weren't allowed to fight in the army. I thought this was kind of harsh because  that was the reason the colored men joined the army in the first place. The colored regiment also didn't get enough supplies like shoes. Also, the colored regiment were paid less. when the white soldiers were paid $13, the black soldiers were paid $10. "Glory" showed us how high was the tension between the blacks and the whites. In the movie when the colored soldiers and the white soldiers met, they started fighting right away.
  In the movie "Glory", I was really surprised when Shaw read out the announcement for the confederate, not one of the men left the army. the announcement stated the any slaves or free black man that serves in the Union army would be put to death. I was surprised that that was how determined the black soldiers were. Also, another thing is that the African-American soldiers endured hardcore, strict training and was discriminated but still did not leave the army. I thought they would give up because the training was too harsh. i learned form the movie how much hardships are there in the army for the African Americans. When I saw Trip's feet, i was shocked that they endured that much pain. I really enjoyed this movie and this movie taught me how the colored regiment was like.

Glory

The movie "Glory" was a wonderful movie. It had many controversial topics that they portrayed very well. I think the most surprising part of the whole movie was when they killed both Trip and Col. Shaw, in very few movies do they kill off two of the main characters. I think that just goes to show how realistic they tried to make this movie. This movie brought a lot of topics that many movies would not dare touch. It made me think about how other black regiments were treated after this first one. We got a glimpse of that when they were burning down that village in Georgia, but I think there were many other regiments that might have been like the 54th of Massachusetts. To me this was a very realistic movie, they definitely did not cut out anything that people might find offense. I think they did this so that we would really know what it felt like for some of these soldiers not just a nice sweet interpretation. I believe that the experience for many of the African Americans in the war was not that great. Often they did not even get to fight, which is what they thought they would do when they signed up. Also, as showed in the beginning of the movie, they were not given the best supplies and necessities, like shoes and even uniforms. Overall this was a wonderful movie that gave a new meaning to the what life was like for black soldiers, even on the Union side.

"Glory" Reflection

The thing that surprised me most about "Glory" was when none of the black soldiers or white commanders left the army when the confederates sent them a letter saying all black men will become slave, black people in uniform will be shot on sight, and white officers will be executed. It made me think on how much motivation the Union had to win this war. Through this movie I learned the hardships an  african-american soldiers experiences. They are discriminated by other white soldiers and also most of the time they don't even get a chance to fight. In the movie, the soldiers were denied shoes because of their color. There were some parts in the movie that had a "hollywood" feel to it. Such as the part when the white soldiers were cheering for the black soldiers going into the battle, when before they were ready to fight each other. Overall though, the movie was very realistic such as the battle scenes and the rough army life of an African-American soldier.

Glory

The movie, "Glory" is based on letters that the general of the 54th Massacusetts regiment sent to his family, but in some scenes the acting gets a little clichéd, especially when the men are being congratulated before attack the fort and in some of the battle scenes. I thought the scene before the men charged was really stereotypical because the those men who cheered for their black comrades were the same people who wanted to start a fight. Also I was really surprised when Rawlings was promoted to the position of sergeant. Overall, however, i thought the movie was really realistic for that time period, like when the regiment was paid less, when they couldn't get basic supplies, or when the men were only allowed to do manual labor.

Response-"Glory" Reflection

The movie "Glory" is based upon letters written between General Robert Shaw and his parents during the Civil War. This already says the the movie is based on real facts, and the information is realistic. Of course, the battles that take place are not half as bloody and the men might not say the exact terms and such, but that of course would be impossible to figure out. However, in some sections of the movie, the acting gets a little stereotypical and Hollywood like. When the regiment of whites cheer on the 54 Massachusetts Regiment, it didn't seem real because in the beginning of the movie, General Shaw received a notice from the War Department that stated if any African found in uniform would be shot, and any white officer caught in charge of them would be executed. I thought that the white soldiers would have cursed and jeered at the 54 Regiment, not cheer them on into battle. Then again, all movies have little perks to them. This overall was a very inspiring story that is based upon a platform of true facts, but was dramatic in some areas, as all movies are.

Glory response

Something that surprised me in Glory was how there was a good number of people that supported a colored regiment and not everybody hated it or at least almost everybody. I learned that the African-Americans had a harder time in the army than the white soldiers because they didn’t get all the supplies they needed or they were discriminated against by the white soldiers. I also learned that there was a lot of camaraderie between the African-American soldiers and they sang after they were done training. I think the movie was mostly realistic but there were some “Hollywood” aspects to it because it had to also be a movie people wanted to watch and not just a history documentary but mostly it was realistic.

Glory

While watching Glory, I was surprised by the way they fought. I thought that the army would have a better strategy than to keep on charging forward and it was even more surprising that soldiers didn't abandon when it was very likely they were going to be shot out in that open field. Later on, in the colored regiment, I was really shocked that Trip's punishment was being whipped and that Shaw didn't try to make another more suitable punishment. Seeing Trip's bloody, blistered feet made me think about how unfairly the african americans were treated and how the colored regiment stayed together despite how unfairly they were being treated compared to the white soldiers. I learned that most likely, if you became an african american soldier, you would never be treated fairly and never get the things you deserve. You would be surrounded by people who considered you worthless and never be taught right, but it seemed as though they still had the motivation to continue as a soldier. The movie was a bit too dramatic as are most movies, but I think it all in all gave a good interpretation of what the 54th regiment went through. 

Glory Response

While watching this movie, I was very intrigued at thought that this movie recaptured the scenes and battles of the civil war very realistically, while at the same time it was interesting, so it wasn't like watching a boring documentary. Although some of the scenes in the movies did seem a bit more dramatic than it could have been, I thought that it was still very strongly based on historical events. Watching this movie, as all the colored soldiers worked through harsh conditions, and pushed through the times where moral was low, I was surprised at the dedication that the colored soldiers had, and their drive to continue in this war. What also came as a shock to me was that not one single soldier decided to leave the army, even after being told the severe consequences that they would have to be held accountable for if they were to decide to leave later. A part in the movie that made me think was when the colored soldiers were seemed to be denied their rights to be equal to the white soldiers in the other regiments. An example of this was their pay of 10 dollars a month instead of the regular 13, also the fact that they were denied real battles, was a form of discrimination, even though the whole war was to strive for equality. Although this was just a film produced by Hollywood, I was able to learn from this movie about the experiences that the African american soldiers had during the war. Things that I learned were their harsh treatment, and suffering during the war, also the hardships of racism that they had to face from the higher ranked generals. The war for the colored was not an easy path to choose, but for their passion for freedom of all, was what pushed them through, and gave them the strength to carry on.

Glory Reflection

The movie "Glory" is a realistic portrayal of the experiences of the colored regiment during the civil war. To be exact, it actually  surprised me with its realistic depictions of their daily lives, killing, and courage. With this I felt sympathy to those who put up with such rigorous training and experience some form of loss for what they believe is righteous. They persevered so much agony and the movie created that atmosphere well. During many selective scenes, the movie suggests of a series of common situations of volunteering, training, and war, like what is said to have happened. A major threat to the African Americans, I have learned, would most likely be racism. It has affected them very much throughout many scenes. For example, Trip get fired up when being discriminated against for his skin color when wanting to go with the white men to where the real action is happening. Rawlings on the other hand had to talk everyone out of it, to tell the experiences they were in for. They want to go to battle, they are ready to fight, and they are dignified rather than those of the whites.

Glory Reflection

The movie "Glory" is about a colored regiment, 54th Massachusetts. This regiment was not only soldiers, but black soldiers. Even through all the pain, they endured and fought till the end. This regiment should be recognized more becuase this was a unique, different regiment.

I got surprised at how the colored soldiers fought. They fought with courage and strength. Not only were they normal soldiers, but some got ranked up to Sergant like Rawlings. He is a wise man in the army. All of this made me think of equality. The African Americans fought just like the regular American soldiers. They all fought for their Union and tried to do their best. There should be no reason of racism in the army because all of the soldiers fought the same way and for the same purpose.

This movie was not a "Hollywood" movie. It was different and more significant. This movie showed a purpose of a moment in history that was important. This movie showed how the colored regiment was treated. Even though they might be treated unfairly, they took it and just fought side by side with the American soldiers. Plus, they were the first to make the charge through the fort to try to capture it and defeat the Confederates. There is an important meaning behind this movie. People made this movie to show people how it was back then during the Civil War. They want to make the Americans know how wrong of it was to do  that back then. "Hollywood" is not the movie type that "Glory" portrays.

"Glory" Reflection

Glory was definitely not just another typical Hollywood money maker. This particular movie was a joy to watch because it brought the text from our notes and book to life. Although some scenes of the movie seemed a tad cheesy and very dramatic, I think Glory portrayed the life of those involved in the Civil War quite well. My understanding of the harsh reality was quite hazy before this film. There were many realistic points that came across such as the discrimination towards black soldiers. Examples of this would be the lack of basic needs granted such as shoes. I also realized just how intense the tension between whites and blacks were back then and how they were so looked down upon. Another realistic point was the actual training and discipline drills the soldiers did. I felt that I got a much deeper look into the life of a soldier and was not surprised by the harshness of the commanders. They really cracked down on their soldiers when necessary because they know that war is not a joke. Although some of the punishments seemed unjust, it seemed that the relation between the soldier and commander revolved around respect. (Trip and Shaw). With a sad and brutal ending, the reality of the Civil War hit me with an imprinting message.

Glory

Overall, “Glory” is a decent visual representation of the life of African Americans in the army. What surprised me the most was that, after being put through extensive harsh training, the soldiers did not argue or talk badly about the drill sergeant of Colonel Shaw. They took the training and did not complain. The event that made me think the most was when all of the soldiers stayed after the announcement. Sure, they really wanted to get rid of slavery, but there was still a lot of prejudice against blacks, even free blacks. Also, at least some of them, like Thomas, have never been slaves, not feeling the anger that Trip does. I also expected more characters that had the tough-boy attitude that Trip had, and I was also surprised that Shaw even let Rawlings have a position in the regiment.

The movie was most realistic in showing the prejudice that existed between the black soldiers and the white soldiers. They got into a fight really easily, though that isn’t surprising given Trip’s attitude. The regiment also didn't get shoes, which is another example of the discrimination of blacks. Shaw had to go crazy in order for them to just get shoes. The same is with the 54^th not going into real battle. Again, Shaw had to use blackmail just to get them in a battle. As for Fort Wagner, I think the soldiers really were all out, and didn’t care if they died or not at that point. After all, they were singing the night before and praying, saying what should happen if they should die. I think seeing this movie really helped us better understand the life of black soldiers.

 

"Glory" Reflection

The movie "Glory" was overall a pretty accurate movie.  However, there were a few parts that surprised me during the movie.  When the Confederacy announced that black soldiers would be shot on sight or placed in slavery I expected at least some black soldiers to leave.  In the movie not even one left.  I think that was a little bit over-dramatic.  However I think the movie showed how the African-Americans were treated and how the training for them was.  This movie was overall very realistic and portrayed life in the Civil War for African-Americans very well.

Glory

The movie Glory was a movie that based on the 54th Massachusetts, a Union army of colored men.  While watching this film, the bravery of the blacks surprised me.  When Shaw asked who would wish to drop out of the army after telling them of the confederacy's harsh tendency to black soldiers, none stepped up to do so, and they continued to take part as soldiers.


I began to empathize with these soldiers.  They experienced through times of hardship, sorrow, and enjoyment.  One scene that fascinated me was the time when they circled around, singing spirituals as one.  However, some rebellious people such as Trip had to endure through beatings for stealing and other crimes, which brought memories of the past as slaves.


In my point of view, the movie was heart-touching, but I believe that it was another Hollywood style film rather than a good interpretation of history.  I believe that the colored soldiers would have been treated more harshly than the whites rather than being widely celebrated by them.  Although the colored soldiers had accomplished great tasks, there was still great prejudice, and even if some opposed slavery, it didn't mean that they truly liked colored in general.


But there were some aspects that did make the movie realistic.  In fact, there were shown prejudice towards the colored, when the Union commander refused to grant them shoes.  Also, the colored were paid lesser than the whites.


Therefore, the movie Glory was truly one to see, as it taught me about the life of the colored soldiers as well as allowing me to see a glorious, emotional movie.

Glory

I believe that the movie Glory was realistic compared to the actual Civil War. Glory was able to show the relationships between the 54th Mass. Regiment and the white soldiers. It was able to show how courageous the African-American soldiers were. Glory made the spirituals that the soldiers sang realistic. The movie was able to make the battle look real, even with the rifles and how they had to load it. And using the letters from Col. Shaw they were able to make this entire film seem real.

Glory

    The movie "Glory" was actually pretty predictable and when I read the plot, I assumed that it would be the standard story of soldiers who found a way to become heroes during a time of crisis. I was a bit shocked when I saw how distantly Col. Shaw was treating his men at the beginning. Immediately, I thought that  he shouldn't have taken up this job if he was going to be this brutal. Personally, I believe that Col. Shaw should have been more compassionate towards his regiment and that he should have made an effort to familiarize with them and their backgrounds sooner. The fact that Shaw was able to demand things from higher ranking officers surprised me because I constantly feared that he would get reported to the War Department. Throughout the movie, I was thinking about how war has changed and how it is still, in some ways, the same. Moreover, I was thinking about how I would have fared if I had been drafted into the army.

    When no one left after the news of the Confederacy's slave policy, I wondered if that was the Hollywood treatment at work or if that was a genuine event. The document stated that any African-American who served in the Union army or any White-officer in charge of them would be put to death. Since no African-Americans left, it shows how strong their determination to be free was. Also, it shows how loyal Union soldiers were to their country. I admire the 54th Massachusetts for standing by their leader. Although this might be a cliche, I think this scene represents the "we fight together and we die together" motto. Even though the colored regiment faced the problem of being treated as inferior, theey oly took pride in what they were doing. All of them were deemed as incapable on the battlefield, but they proved the White soldiers wrong when they showed their courage in Fort Wagner. Finally, even the White soldiers had to admit that they were grateful for the help. Moreover, the fact that Shaw and Trip were buried together signifies how in the end, there is no color or race to break the bond of brotherhood. Lastly, the regiment's pay had been cut down, but that didn't phase them and they only worked harder. In conclusion, the movie "Glory" was a good way to go behind the scenes and look at the roles of African-Americans during the Civil War.

Glory reflection

When we watched the movie glory in class, I thought that t had some weird parts. I think the historical background and the story was pretty close because it was based from a letter. But when the white soldiers accept the black soldiers when they go to war, I think that was too typical Hollywood magic type thing. The racism the white had against blacks were from birth. They wouldn't change it over weeks. It could have taken years and years. And when Shaw charged in and got shot, I thought it was weird because all the other people died with one bullet shot but it took Shaw 3 shots. That's what I dislike from Hollywood movies. The main character takes more damage before death.

Glory

     The movie "Glory" was pretty realistic, but I think that some aspects of it were made more dramatic than in reality. Most movies like making things more dramatic to make the movie more interesting and entertaining and to hopefully sell the product. The facts and major events were true to history, but I think that the minor interactions and conversations were a stretch. It surprised me when none of the volunteers or officers in the Massachusetts 54th Colored Regiment chose to leave after receiving the horrible news that the Confederate Congress would punish severely any African-American soldier or white officer caught. This made me think about what I would do if I were in their shoes, if I believe that I would have the courage to risk my life for my country and freedom, and to what extent it is worth to sacrifice for freedom. Unfortunately, I think that I would have been that one soldier who chose to leave the regiment and I admire the bravery of the 54th Massachusetts Regiment. It was surprising how Shaw could demand things from his higher officers because they could have said something to the War Department. I was amazed that Shaw would volunteer his regiment to be the first to attempt to take Fort Wagner and that the men were dauntless and brave to fight without a complaint.
     I learned about the cruel experience that the African-Americans had suffered through during the Civil War. Everywhere, they were looked down upon because they had colored skin and many times were underestimated without having the opportunity to prove themselves. Even within the army, they were thought of as manual laborers and incapable of doing the actual fighting. In the beginning, the white Union soldiers did not want the help of African-American soldiers, but as time continued, I think the white soldiers began to accept them and be grateful for their help. It was definitely not fair that the African-American soldiers were paid $3 less a month. I was appalled when Colonel Montgomery made the soldiers burn a town down because it was part of the Confederacy and how he calmly shot the soldier after the soldier had hit the white woman. If the soldier had been white, Colonel Montgomery would have reacted in a different and safer way.

Glory Reflection

      In the movie Glory, I was really surprised about the part when Shaw read out the paper saying that anyone caught training colored soldiers or being one would be killed. I thought that some of the white commanders would quit because they would be risking their lives for training colored men. But they didn't, every single one of them stayed to fight for the Union.
      I also learned how much you had to train in the army. They had to get used to the loud gunshots of the battlefield, load the gun quickly, and be able to kill. I also thought that they would have at least some of the proper equipment such as shoes, but they didn't. Their foots were torn and swollen from not having proper shoes to protect their feet. Not only that, even though they were risking their lives like the white soldiers for the same cause, they received only $10 instead of $13.
      In my opinion, I think this movie was quite realistic. They had to go through difficult training to get them prepared and the lack of supplies such as shoes. One would think they wouldn't be as disciplined and act more like Col. Montgomery's men, but it all depends on the general. If he gains the respect of his soldiers, then they will listen to his commands like mature soldiers. Also, I'm sure there were songs sang throughout the camp to keep their spirits up and give themselves hope. However, the thing that I did not really think was realistic is that Shaw faced against someone of higher rank than him just to get his soldiers to get some of the action. He might have asked, but not demand against someone of higher rank.
      After this movie, I really want to actually read the letters sent from Robert Gould Shaw.

"Mmmhhmm, Mmhhmm, Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord!"

   The movie "Glory", was realistic in both its physical and mental representation of that era. The White soldiers and civilians during that time were considerably more racist compared to ours and that was shown really well. The relationship between the Colored and White soldiers were accurate. The two groups were not really the best of friends, but they honored each others sacrifices in the war. I really liked the charge the 54th did near the end of the movie. The soldiers were brave in that they would do such a selfless act despite of knowing that they probably will not succed and come out alive.

Response

I think that the movie was pretty realistic. I learned that although the african-american soldiers were allowed to join in the army, they were still treated unequally. For example, when they were about to be payed, the were payed 10 dollars instead of 13. That there is already unjust. Also, what surprised me was that Rawlings was actually able to be seargent. I was really surprise there since most of the commanders were usually White People not black people. Also, everything was much harder for the slaves and free black people and a lot easier for the white soldiers. I think that this was a pretty realistic view of the civil war but I think when the people charged in the movie it was kind of fake

"Glory" Reflection

      I hope you enjoyed the movie "Glory" that we have watched in class. What I would like you to do for this blog post is reflect on the movie. What surprised you? What made you think? What did you learn about the experience of African-Americans during the Civil War? Do you think this movie was realistic or was it just a "Hollywood" interpretation of history (in other words, the movie made it more dramatic than it really was or it didn't stay true to history)

      I'm not interested in hearing a movie review from you. I don't need to know what you thought of the acting or dialogue, nor do I care if you would recomend the movie to friends. Use the questions you answered while you watched to help you with character names and scene descriptions. Feel free to use those answers as examples.

     Remeber to post your own entry and comment on at least one other post!

May 4 battle

The battle was really intense but fun. I went without any comrade next to me but it was still fun. Like mr. Harp said, the people with comrades were barely together. And the food and supplies provided was ok but the main course was pretty bad. The comrades taking whole lot of pics were interesting especially the girls doing their weird pose things

May 4 Response

The major battle that occurred on May 4, 2012 was definitely fun and intriguing.  Not only that, it was quite similar to the battle that took in the Civil War between boys and girls.  According to my calculations, 99% of the students greatly enjoyed the soldiers' experience in the battle that took place on May 4.  It was undoubtedly a memorable moment, and it's traces will pass down throughout the generations.

- Jenna Llamas and Sabrina Dagoc

This Might Be Too Nosy...

So I really want to know how spcial was tonight and if all of you had a fun time...but this blog isn't supposed to be about this kind of stuff..soooo...let's relate it to the Civil War. What was it like between the North (girls) and South (boys) in the "battle" that took place on May 4, 2012? What were some of the issues during the conflict? Did people enjoy the soldiers' experience? I know this is lame of me, but I'd love to hear back from anyone and everyone. See you guys on Monday!